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EFO & Maestro's Men

New postby PushMe » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:10 pm

Hurray for both bands...but...why in the past 10 years, have they picked up most every job in Ct/Mass/RI/NY area? EFO is solid, but not my type of style that I would personally enjoy for dancing.
Maestro's Men, to me is a take off of the old Ray Henry style, and updated nicely, but I just don't feel 'it' ..when I listen to their cd's or watch them on Youtube.

Can somebody explain to me why both of these groups work so much? Aren't there other good bands in the Ct/Mass/NY area that deserve to be playing as much as EFO & Dennis Polisky's Maestro's Men/>

Help!

Johnny :roll:
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Re: EFO & Maestro's Men

New postby jrodg » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:36 pm

Afer giving this some thought, I think the question does merit a bit of discussion: The best and briefest answer to your question is probably that these two bands are working the most because they are big regional favorites: They please the people and assure most venues of a successful affair. There are many factors involved in such success, I think, but perhaps the most important factor of all in both of these cases is that each group intentionally , and with sincere devotion, carries on a major polka tradition that is beloved in the region ( with the MM's is is the Ray Henry legacy, as you mention, and with EFO it is Louie's heritage ---Each bandleader truly reveres one of these giants , and each is no doubt aware that in perpetuating their legacy they are keeping the loyalty of large numbers of polka fans in the region.
There are at least two other fine groups here that deserve similar success ( Lenny Gomulka and PCM ) , and both are quite successful in their own way, but with less emphasis on frequent local gigs and fan support. This is , I'm pretty sure, because, fine though their music is, it is not quite as revered as local polka "roots music" by many old-time local fans as that of Ray, Louie and their acknowledged successors. Lenny's and PCM's music is of course heavily influenced by Chicago/Midwestern styles; thus, not surprisingly, both groups are favorites around the country ,and particularly in the "Polka Midwest," which actually, style-wise, begins in Western Pennsylvania. You, may remember, John, that our old group, the Happy Harmony Boys, once had a similar situation : Since we chose to specialize in Chicago honky-style polkas, we were very popular in Pittsburgh and the Midwest, and reasonably so in Mass., but could rarely get work in Connecticut, where , then as now, "Eastern style" ( and particularly Ray Henry) "ruled." That's how I became aware of this phenomenon.
At the present time, polka music in our state,Connecticut, is really in "dire straits." In Mass., it's better off ( and EFO has a big part in keeping it alive there ). Incidentally, it's important to note, that, although MM and EFO have strong "Ray" and "Louie" ties, that's far from all they do: EFO plays lots of other good, popular polka music in an upbeat, "Push-like" style : They do seem to prefer playing close to home for the most part. Maestro's men play a lot of "push style" polkas ( including quite a few EB numbers) as well as some nice honky numbers, too : I think they have a clever , successful formula of offering something for every type of "Polish style" fan ( in addition to which, they even have a nice German set) . Having seen MM at Seven Springs and read and heard about their frequent Midwest tours, I know that they are favorites througout these regions, too --- Maestro's Men even win Chicago-based IPA awards regularly : All of this shows that they do much, much more than "just Ray Henry covers" , and they are clearly considered a favorite group by polka fans everywhere.
Your question ( and comment that a given band just doesn't "turn you on big time") raises an interesting issue which might make for a good discussion in its own right; namely, "What really makes a band our favorite ( or not )? "---i suspect that this is actually a big and complex issue , and that many different people judge bands by many different criteria, ranging , for example , from the poster who often writes that he wants his bands to follow one given standard ( He regularly lists his preferred stage line-up, instrumentation, etc.) ; to others who prefer a charismatic personality , great ( or favorite, anyway ) singer or entertainer, a certain beat, old country ( or else modern/innovative) flavor ; party image, etc., etc.---Yes, and some clearly consider appearance and clothing an important factor, too---not to speak of personal preferences: I hear quite a few people saying that a band is not their favorite because they don't care for one or more of the performers personally, or because they are rivals of their favorites --- Then there's the whole honky/vs push, Polish vs. English vocal, etc. , etc. thing---and for some, it's just a matter of "taste" ( which may or may not involve any of the criteria mentioned before) ------- and almost every individual sees/hears this somewhat differently : "One man's music is another's noise." One thing's for sure , though: Just because you or I or someone else isn't thrilled by a given group doesn't necessarily mean that they're not the people's favorites---and if they are,and are playing "all the time" at many different venues, they must be doing something ( and probably, I think, a lot of things) right. ---
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Re: EFO & Maestro's Men

New postby MikeSurratt » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:16 pm

I have to agree with the "locals like them" scenario. I'll use Baltimore as an example starting back in the 80's. There are a LOT of local clubs/orgs in Baltimore that hold regular dances. Polish Home Club, Spice of Life Dance Club, Polka Weekenders, area Moose, Elks, Democratic Clubs and at one time a few DJs that held fundraisers. For 20-30 years, 2 Local bands seem to get the majority of work from these established venues in and around Baltimore. I always wonder why?

You would think that "The Boys" (back then) or "Charm City Sound" (now) are one of those bands -- they are not and mainly play(ed) "out of town."

The fees being paid might be another reason why some bands play more than others locally. Some bands with a larger group can not compete with a trio or 4-piece fee and as we all know, bands have a way of undercutting other bands to get work. That's another topic.

MS
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Re: EFO & Maestro's Men

New postby PushMe » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:23 pm

Very good replies Joe & Mike....the bottom line is cost versus value....If a club hires the Maestro's Men for $1000 (Fictional Figure)...and they have 100 people for dinner reserved at $25 dollars a person; I GUESS I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION...IT'S A NO BRAINER...Because these bands and EFO attract a larger audience then say Lenny Gomulka, Billy Bilena's Band, Mark IV, Sound a Bouts, Swinging Brass, Johnny Prytko, Patti & The Guys, Dick Pillar, and the list goes on and on.

Happy Thanksgiving Day !!
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EFO Live Review:

New postby PushMe » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:05 pm

I had the pleasure of seeing EFO, (Eddie Forman's Orchestra) from South Hadley , Massachusetts. in Ludlow. A few things I noticed right off the bat.

1) I havn't seen the hall full of people in a long long time.

2) EFO was playing at a decent sound level, and you could actually could converse with people.

Was nice to see the band...they started at 3:30 pm, and played a full 1 1/2 hours before taking a thirty minute break, which was nice because many polka bands play an hour and then take a break.

The band never seemed to be wondering what to play next, and appeared to have a great music plan thanks to the leader Eddie Forman. They were also performed more waltzes than most typical polka bands, of which the people really seemed to have enjoyed dancing to them.

Carol Forman was great too and friendly I might add! She made people (friends and strangers) feel at home, and thought there was a great vibe of energy because of that throughout the hall.

Great Job Guys!

Johnny Prytko Jr.

p.s. musicianship was very good too...well organized, no missed notes and right on queue!
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Re: EFO & Maestro's Men

New postby jrodg » Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:49 pm

What a fine "review," John , and an excellent example of the value of checking and revising one's opinions every now and then: I , like you , of course had some kind of prejudice about this fine band based on a perception of twenty+ years ago (!?) , but eventually I had to look at the situation again and couldn't help but see how much good they were doing, for the public and the field in general, and how I should "let go" of a prejudice based on some song they did in an "earlier lifetime." I should admit that I had similar misgivings about PCM for many years ( for no real good reason, darn it --- and I like to consider myself a fair person with decent taste )--The only possible "reason" I can recall for my attitude in this case is, I think, that I felt they were doing too many "country covers" or something like that ---but then ( go figure !?) if I choose to do a lot of (even silly) English, CW ,Irish, etc. material with my own group ( which might turn ethnic traditionalists at my venues off ), I may think "How cool am I?" : Vanity, vanity. Anyway, it's interesting how "overcoming prejudices" can suddenly work: One night last summer, I drove out to see a Maestro's Men concert at a small , senior cits' venue : Wally Dombrowski was sitting in with the band that night on concertina ( which is far from his only or first instrument!!!) , and his style , sound and versatility playing that instrument as the sole box player backing up Dennis's demanding music , both polka and "American", blew me away...and then I realized, too (Why hadn't I valued this before all those years?--God knows...) , that he was brilliant on virtually every band instrument as well as vocals, that his and his brothers' hard work and devotion to polkas is awesome, and (like the New Brass number says it ) I changed my attitude---big-time. ---In case I could ever forget this "revelation", all I have to do is look at the many youtube videos of the group's performances posted by admirers to be convinced , and even awed, all over again. Anyway, it's a great feeling, I think when we can re-examine our preconceptions and find the (often great) value in people , and bands, that we somehow failed to appreciate before ---even if we were "right" in underestimating someone at one point or other, it's good to remember that they may well have grown and improved in quality since that "last listen" long ago ----or that maybe the failure to appreciate them was due as much or more to our own lack of appreciation , and that maybe we can now appreciate them because we've grown more more perceptive and appreciative ourselves. Once again, thanks for the nice post : for all kinds of different reasons, reading this helped make my day -")

PS: I agree with you wholeheartedly about Mrs. Forman, too : She has a delightful , sweet friendly stage presence which I noticed for the first time not long ago when I started taking my own advice (haha) and gave a decent listen to the band.
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Re: EFO & Maestro's Men

New postby PushMe » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:23 pm

Well said Joe! Good to see you online again!

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